Can you capitalize it as PPE or not?
Last update: 2023
Is it an item of property, plant and equipment or a part of its cost?
Or is it a piece of inventories instead?
Or just an expense that goes straight in profit or loss?
Hmmm, what about an intangible asset?
In 90% of all cases, the answer to the above questions is clear – it’s obvious that buildings, machinery or other BIG pieces of tangible assets presumably used for more than 1 period are PPE.
But I’m convinced that you have come across at least 1 or 2 situations in which you were not so sure about the right conclusion.
I can confirm it based on a number of e-mail questions I receive in relation to this topic.
Let me give you my answers to the most common ones.
What does IAS 16 Property, Plant and Equipment prescribe?
Property, plant and equipment are tangible items that:
- Are held for use in the production or supply of goods or services, for rental to others, or for administrative purposes; and
- Are expected to be used during more than 1 period.
That’s the definition taken right from the standard IAS 16 Property, Plant and Equipment.
Also, IAS 16 answers our first and basic question: When should we recognize an item of PPE?
The answer in IAS 16 is taken directly from the Conceptual Framework (2018): the cost of an item of property, plant and equipment shall be recognized as an asset if, and only if:
- It is probable that future economic benefits associated with the item will flow to the entity; and
- The cost of the item can be measured reliably.
Therefore, in general, when you’re assessing whether some item shall or shall NOT be treated as an item of PPE, you need to take the following factors into account:
- the purpose for which an item is acquired and / or held
- the useful life of an item (longer than 1 period)
- future economic benefits flowing to the entity and
- cost is reliably measurable.
OK. So we have just set up the fundamentals.
But while it’s easy to assess and categorize some assets, other assets are not so clear and we need to use judgment and often apply the concept of materiality in order to make a conclusion.
Now let’s take a look at several unclear or shady examples.
Should we capitalize spare parts?
There is no uniform opinion about capitalizing spare parts. Instead, spare parts require your own judgment of a specific situation.
In most cases, spare parts and servicing equipment are included in inventories and treated in line with IAS 2 Inventories.
However, major spare parts can qualify for PPE, especially when they can only be used in connection with an item of PPE. For example, some reserves engines for airplanes would rather be included in PPE than in inventories.
Let me give you an example of the opposite situation.
I received a question from my reader about treatment of a big amount of sand (or other construction material). He wrote me that it was a great opportunity to get this sand at a very good price, therefore the company piled up a big stock.
However, a company was not going to use the sand immediately in the construction process. The sand could have stayed in the warehouse for many years.
What to do in this case?
In my opinion, although the sand indeed did have “useful life” longer than 1 period, it’s NOT an item of PPE.
It was a raw material and its purpose was to be consumed in the production process – which perfectly meets the definition of inventories.
Instead of charging depreciation of the sand, I would rather check whether the cost of sand exceeds its net realizable value at the end of each reporting period and if not, then I would leave it in inventories until it’s consumed.
Should we capitalize small items acquired in large amounts?
Imagine you run a library.
There are thousands of books there, each has an acquisition cost of a few dollars (whatever currency) and it will definitely be used for more than 1 period.
Should you treat each book separately and as a result, recognize it in profit or loss when acquired? Or should you treat all books as 1 item of PPE?
Other similar examples are tool sets, furniture sets, pallets and returnable containers which are used in more than one accounting period, but the cost of 1 piece is low or even negligible.
What to do in this case? How to treat these small items in large amounts?
Again, there’s no uniform answer.
Standard IAS 16 (9) says that the unit of measurement for recognition of PPE is NOT prescribed.
In other words, sometimes it’s appropriate to aggregate individually insignificant items and to apply the criteria to the aggregate value. And sometimes, it’s not.
In our library example, it can be appropriate to treat books as 1 single asset (or a few assets) and depreciate these assets, especially if a running a library belongs to main revenue-producing activities.
Should we capitalize improvements on a leasehold property?
Imagine you rented an office space. The big one.
But, you need to adjust it to fit your needs and therefore, you decide to install glass partitions to divide the space and make it look more elegantly.
Glass partitions are damn expensive. They represent a significant investment.
However, they cannot be used separately without the office space and once your rental contract expires, glass partitions are useless for you. You can’t even take them out and install them in another place.
How to treat your investment in the improvement of leasehold property?
I repeat again: there’s no uniform answer and it depends on your contract and specific circumstances.
First of all – are future economic benefits from these improvements probable? Maybe yes, as glass partitions make the office space usable for you.
Another question – are you going to use these improvements for more than 1 period?
In most cases, you can estimate improvement’s useful life quite reliably and therefore, it’s appropriate to capitalize them as an item of PPE. The useful life will basically depend on the term of your lease, so you need to take that into account.
Should we capitalize pre-operating expenses?
You are establishing a business. Before you can actually start a production process, you need to obtain permits, hire employees and do a lot of things – and all of this costs money.
You need to pay salaries, rent, professional advisers and you might incur many other types of expenses in the pre-operating stage of your business.
Can you capitalize these pre-operating expenses?
In most cases – NO. You cannot capitalize them as a separate intangible asset.
Why?
Because they do not meet the definition of an intangible asset in line with IAS 38 as they are not identifiable, i.e.:
- They cannot be separated and sold/transferred, and
- They do not arise from contractual or other legal rights.
There is one exception when you actually can capitalize pre-operating expenses.
When you construct an item of PPE and your pre-operating expenses were incurred in relation to constructing that PPE, then you can capitalize them if they meet the IAS 16 criteria.
For example, when you build a production hall during the pre-operating stage, you can include salaries of direct production workers to the cost of that production hall.
These are 4 the most discussed and ambiguous examples of capitalizing/not capitalizing an item as PPE. Please help me share this article with your friends or colleagues and if you have some question or remark, just leave me a comment right below this article.
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A machine has been purchased by our company and also we got the consult from the outside for the installation of machine. Same Hotel fee has been incurred for the consulates (when we got the consult). Can be capitalized the above mention Hotel fee for the consulates When Initial recognize of the machine?
Hi Silvia,
Do we capitalize brokerage fees in the cost of the land. My view point is that it wouldn’t because it is not necessary to bring the asset to its location and use in the way as intended by the management. Can you please share your viewpoint on this.
regards
Silvia, one more issue with the capex.
In our FAR we have printer, that is maintained by outsourcing company for a fee. The Co is offering us to replace the printer with new one for a reasonable surcharge. This option will probably decrease the maintenance fees, which are expensed in the PL. The old printer is still having net book value.
What should be the accounting treatment for this issue? Write off the old printer and capitalize new with the price paid? Or?
Thanks
Bianka
Hi Silvia,
Can we capitalize costs for returning of pallets to vendor, which are carrying the purchased PPE?
We import the PPE which is on pallets, but we have obligation to return the pallets to the vendor, and additional costs for transportation and forwarding occurs.
Should these costs be capitalized as CAPEX or should be considered as OPEX?
Thanks
Bianka
Hi can you answer my concern. thanks.
In most circumstances no, you cannot capitalize, but it depends.
Thanks but Silvia the stage does not exist. It was disassembled/dismounted after the show actually there are only small partitions of plywoods left. i dnt know if we can use them to construct another stage with it.can we still capitalise the whole cost of setting up the stage and depreciate it when the stage actually dnt exist. Please advise.
Anjoo,
in such a case, I guess the previous stage had some residual value as the partitions can be used further – therefore, there should have been something left. Sure, you can use these partitions again, why not? And then capitalise their cost+works into another stage. As I said – after depreciating the previous stage, the residual value equal to the value of partitions should have been left in the carrying amount and that could have been used as the new cost.
Silvia
If we build a stage for a show. however after the show the stage is dismantled. Only partitioning of woods are left is it ok to treat it as an item of PPE.can u tell me the accounting treatment please.
Again, if the stage is going to be used for more than 1 year, you can capitalise it.
We have a land (owned property) around which we have got fencing built for safety purposes. The land is vacant and had already been capitalized in the books. I have two questions:
(1) Is such fencing eligible for capitalization, or should it be expensed out?
(2) If capitalized, what is the most appropriate categorization to be made; land or land improvements?
Many thanks in advance for your valuable comments 🙂
(1) It’s eligible for capitalising.
(2) As the fence has its definite useful life (unlike land), you need to capitalise it separately and depreciate over estimated useful life.
S.
If a team requires to attend meetings and trvel aborad abroad for the project. where would the costs be adjusted. can they be capitalized under ppe?
Can the expenditure incurred during construction period of a new factory (Various Building & Plant & Machinery set up)be classified as “Expenditure during Construction Period” in IFRS under Assets since all expenditure can’t be directly allocated.
Hi Arun,
you should be able to allocate the expenditure either directly, or at least apportion it on a reasonable basis. If it’s not possible, then it’s a general expenditure that is recognised in P/L – but I believe this is not the case. S.
Dear Silvia, in Oil&Gas Upstream industry, the pre-operation (Development/Construction stage) General and Administrative Expenses could be very significant (Accounting, Contract & Procurement, Legal, HR etc.). If they could not be allocated to Assets (not directly attributable), putting them to Profit and Loss while no revenue available would result with significant losses until Operating is started and revenue is generated. This looks strange for me. Could you please share your thoughts? thank you in advance
Hi Serik,
well, but you should check out whether in this particular case, the standard IFRS 6 is applicable. This standard permits you to recognize certain expenditures as assets and you should be developing your own accounting policy for this purpose. Thus I believe you can capitalize directly attributable expenses to evaluation and extraction of mineral resources to some extent. Other than that – unless it meets the definition of intangible asset or it can be deemed as directly attributable cost to an item of PPE, you should expense it in profit or loss. S.
Hi Silvia. In the pharmaceutical sector would it be possible to capitalise uniform that is used in a production environment as PPE. These are garments that have to be worn on the production line by operators to ensure hygiene standards etc and would have a useful life of 2-3 years?
Hi Matt,
why not? If its useful life is more than 1 year and it meets the purpose of PPE (from what you wrote it does), then I don’t see any reason why not.However, think about its value and unit of account – it might be more practical to capitalise some set of garments rather than each individual garment. S.
Hi Silvia,
Again me but an additional point.
Today in our warehouse we have material (towers) that will be used in the future. as we do not know when we will use them (depending on customer order) we consider it as inventory and not WIP PPE.
1. Is it the correct allocation or can we consider them as WIP ?
2. also in the case of WIP, can we consider the cost of warehousing in the valuation of the tower?
From my point of view the biggest problem is to estimate the costs as we do not know for how long it will stay in the warehouse.
Thanks in advance,
Frederic
Hi Silvia,
First of all, congratulation for your site which is a good source of information. i will definitely share it with my team.
We are in the process of improvement power system for different locations. Which mean bringing almost 500 set of power system (Generator + Bateries+…) the project timing is over 6 months and the equipments will be received by batch. Therefore we will need to lease storage location just for this project with a limitation in time. Could the lease of the warehouse be capitalised under directly attributable costs ?
Is the result the same if we use our actual warehouse ? can we capitalize the part of the warehouse that we use for this specific project ?
Thanks for your valuable contribution.
Regards,
Frederic
I would like to confirm the date of depreciation start. We have purchsed car in May and it is available for use in may but it will not be use till July. I assume that depreciation should start in May.
Correct! 🙂
Hi Silvia,
We have an operating lease of a building.
We recently received invoices for Competitive Bidding Admin, Bid Analysis, Permit Coordination. I understand that these costs can be capitalized if this was an acquisition of a new building, but can these costs be capitalized if we are only doing construction on a leased building?
Thank you in advance for your help!
Hi Taka,
in most cases yes, you can capitalise leasehold improvements. S.
Hello Silvia,
I have a similar query as J High above. We have some tower cranes which require motors and gears (parts) which are quite expensive. Currently, we treat such replacement as maintenance exp and show as inventory while in stock. Going through your above posts, I think it can be capitalized, since it has separate useful life and can be used for other cranes as well. Can you please advise me on this. And, if we decide to capitalize hence forth, how the disclosure should be in the financials. Will it be treated as change in accounting policy and has to be disclosed with retrospective effect?
Thanks in advance.
Dear Abdul,
I fully agree with your thoughts. Motors represent significant part of cranes and as a result, they should probably be treated as PPE, but depreciated separately from the rest of a crane.
And yes, it is a change in accounting policy rather than change in accounting estimate (if not a correction of error).S.
Dear Silvia,
Thank you so much for your prompt response!
regards
Hi Silivia,
Some great insight, but I’m still confused on an issue. My company is buying a spare motor for a piece of equipment. If we were replacing the motor today, we would capitalize it, but we don’t expect to replace the motor for several years. We are only purchasing it because if the active motor fails, production would be shut down without a replacement.
Expense or Capital? If capital, when do I start depreciating, now or when it actually gets put into service?
Hi J High,
I have seen the similar case in one private clinic – they invested in the 2nd back-up electricity generator. So in the case the electricity is shut down for some reason, the clinic can use the 1st back-up generator and when that generator stops working, only then the clinic would use the 2nd generator in order to keep all the machines going.
Now, is this 2nd generator bringing the future economic benefits?
Well, if you are a patient and you are making a choice where to go for surgery, which hospital would you chose? The one with no back-up generator, the one with 1 generator or the one with 2 generators (let’s say this is the only difference)?
So you see, even “back-up” assets as your motor can bring future economic benefits although they are not directly in use. Finally, their back-up function is exactly the reason why you make investment, isn’t it? Therefore, they should be capitalised as an item of PPE.
As for the depreciation – it’s up to you to estimate the useful life of a motor, but you should include the “back-up” period in it as well. Just let me remind you that the pattern of depreciation does not necessarily need to be straight line, so for example, if you assume not using motor in the first 2 years and then installing it somewhere else, you might adjust your depreciation charges accordingly.
Hope it helps 😉 S.
Hi Silvia,
Wow, you really do seem like the most helpful person when it comes to helping out with capilisation queries.
I have what is probably a straight-forward answer, and just based on judgement. Our office recently purchased some blinds, which cost a total of £1,300. Our company is a fairly small one, and there is in fact no current capex policy in place, (I’m thinking of having it set at £1,000).
My question is whether the blinds would fall under being an asset, under the definition I’m stuck on whether it would provide economic benefits (maybe because the blinds would keep out sunlight which would prevent work being completed :P).
Also, £1,300 is a small amount of money for big businesses, however it’s a more sizeable sum for ours.
Any help in clearing this up would be much appreciated.
Thank you Silvia
Hi Jonathan,
thank you!
In my opinion – yes, blinds certainly do provide economic benefits, because they simply enhance your or leased asset. By installing new blinds, your office becomes more agreeable, personnel can work better etc. I would capitalize. S.
Hello Sylvia,
Thanks for your answers, I was interested in how you go about setting a capex threshold policy. I realise that it is not worth capitalising light bulbs and wate paper bins because they are so small, but do you have any guidance on what this threshold should be based on? I am happy for this to be relatively high so that it reduces management of the fixed asset register.
Many thanks,
Ian
Hi Ian,
I’m afraid I must disappoint you this time – there is no right or wrong answer with regard to “capitalization threshold”. It is judgemental and specific for every company. E.g. for a big production company, new set of chairs can be very immaterial, but for the small office, the same set can be significant in comparison with other PPE’s carrying amount.
However, I would agree that in almost 100%, the bulbs and waste paper bins would be expensed 🙂
S.
Hi Silvia, Greetings.
Please advise the proper classification for hotel assets owned by an entity & operated by a hotel operator (third party) via operating agreement.
is it IAS 16? or 40? why?
thanks..
Hi, Jasmin,
from the point of view of an entity owning the assets – the question is how the operating agreement is structured. Is it an operating lease? Or a finance lease? What are the specific provisions in the contract?
Let’s suppose it’s an operating lease – in such a case, an entity can classify the building under IAS 40 as well as IAS 16, again – based on the specific situation and the judgement, as both standards would fit.
Hi Silvia,
Can you send me any any IFRS quote which donot allow us to capitalize operating lease rentals (of the land where we are constructing the building) to the cost of the building.
Regards,
Usman
usman.haider066@gmail.com
Hi Usman,
I am not aware of such a quote.
In fact, the opposite can be true. Amounts charged under operating leases during construction period can be viewed as directly attributable cost – but you need to apply this approach consistently.
Can The Clubs Can Recognized Players or their Contract in b/s??
Yes, especially long-term contracts. But it depends on the specific conditions of the contract. S.
I need to ask about Incorporation Costs, shall we capitalize it or just expense it immediately ?
Gehad, I guess that incorporation costs are just associated with setting up a business and not with the acquisition of some particular asset – in such a case, you indeed need to expense them as they do not meet the definition of an asset. S.
Dear Ms Silvia,
I am really impressed and enlightened with all the information available here on property plant and equipment capitalization.
I have a question as well,
We have lease rentals and this building which is an operating lease was operational as a clinic till end of 2012 and from 01-jan-2013 the place plus is going for an overhaul to be made as a medical day surgery center.
could the period of 01-01-2013 till now and future until the building gets ready for its intended use, the lease rentals can be capitalized according to ias 16
thank you so much
Dear Shareej,
this looks like an operating lease of a building and it will be continued as an operating lease, am I right?
In this case, no, you should not capitalize operating lease rentals of the building itself.
However, you can capitalize leasehold improvements (overhaul).
S.
Dear Silvia,
I am impressed that you have been diligently answering the queries, well done!
A quick question for on assets under construction. We are building a production factory and are capitalizing directly attributable costs.
We pay rent on that piece of land that the factory is being built.. I hope we can capitalize the rent expense during the construction period?
Cheers!
KS
I really would like to have the answer for this scenario.
Hi Silvia,
I just wonder how to treat a Zebra in the zoo. Will it be also treated as part of the PPE?
What is the purpose of zebra? How are you monetizing zebra?
Are you getting money from people who came to observe zebra? Then zebra would be classified as PPE under IAS 16.
Are you having this zebra for breeding an offspring (its children) and selling them? Then it’s a biological asset under IAS 41.
If zebra is used in both cases, then you should make a judgement what’s the main purpose of it and then classify accordingly.
S.
Hi Silvia
During the project construction phase are we required to prepare Profit or Loss Statement or all the expense and incomes are required to be capitalized and moreover as per BAS 21 The Effects of Changes in Foreign Exchange Rates , para 28 , exchange difference are required to be recognized in profit or loss , so during the project construction phase if there are any exchange differences where do we account them , as P&L item or as adjustment in BS.
Your clarification on this would be highly appreciated.
Thanking you
Sonam Choeden
Bhutan
Hi Sonam,
I’m a bit lost in your question.
During pre-operating / construction phase, you can capitalize all eligible items as per IAS 16 and all the rest is in P/L – so if it does not relate to acquisition of PPE, then I’m sorry, it needs to go in P/L. You simply cannot capitalize general pre-operating expenses as they would not meet the definition of an asset.
With regard to exchange rate differences – I think my article on how to account for prepayments in foreign currencies could answer to your question.
S.
Hi Silvia
Thanks for your great website. I have a question for you around pre-opening costs for a new hotel. There are often success fees or finders fees paid to securing a contract for a new hotel. The hotels then under go large refurbishments before they open. There would be 4 options in treatment I can see. 1) Its meets the definition of PPE (directly attribute costs) and is capitalised (the asset being the leasehold improvements) 2) The stages of finding and developing a new hotel are similar to to research and development under IAS 38 and these fees if meet the definition of development costs should be capitalised as an intangible asset (costs incurred finding an appropriate site are expensed like research) 3) The fees could be recognised as prepayment and written off over the life of the contract or 4) expensed as they incurred. I would really appreciate your thoughts on what you think is the best treatment under IFRS and what you have seen in practice.
Thanks!
Hi Sarah,
with regard to success fees (something like “commission to real estate agent for getting the contract”) and all the necessary refurbishments, I agree with option 1.
However, finder fees – for researching the market, evaluating the options to invest and selecting the best option – this is really like a research and for me, it does not meet the definition of “directly attributable cost”, because it is very questionable whether these fees were necessary to bring the asset to the location and condition necessary for it to be capable of operating in the manner intended by management. Really, finder fees relate to assessment of other sites and properties. As a result, I would expense them in P/L.
But I tell you, I have seen various treatment in practice, some companies capitalized also finder fees, but then auditors examined their nature and had their say.
S.
Thank you Silvia for your reply…
“For example, concreting – what is it for? Is it improving something, like stability or useful life of the well? It is the first-time expense? Hope it helps! S.”
Silvia I think that an example with a new building would fit to this case as well. And hope it will be useful since more clear for the most people.
There is a new building, commissioned and already used…but there are some activities ongoing around… making access to the building, paving around it etc…I know may be is a strange in some developed countries to have commissioned a building without a final access to it and fencing, but it can happen in the different countries. Therefore, this access to the building neither improves capacity nor useful time of the building…therefore can not be capitalised to cost of the building. Our decision was to recognise this access and concreating (‘paving’) as a separate asset. But having meet the opposite opinion that we should not capitalise cost of roads to the site… I was wondering whether we have are doing something wrong. I think that this paving and road to the site meet definition of the asset, since it will bring the value to the Company (less problems with parking, car breakage, fuel consumption etc) and can be measured reliabely, it will be used during the period more than 12 months…Usually these expenditures are quite high and to expenses theme looks very strange.
I would be happy to hear a different opinion…may be I am missing something important and hope it will be useful for other readers…
Thank you Silvia… i was not going to appear in Fincancial Reporting paper of CA Final. It is you that brought confidence in me. Now i think that i can appear
Hi Silvia
Thank you for your site. I have some experience in IFRS, but I prefer to read your articles one new things first as it is so easy to understand.
I would like to have your and the readers of your site’s opinion, on the following case:
Oil & gas company is drilling a well. It capitalises the related expenditures and one day after testing it is proved to be ready to operate as intended by Management and put in operation with the relative depreciation to be started. However, Company need to finalise activities around the well, build road to the well, site preparation, concreting, fencing etc (while well is already in operation). All these expenses are quite significant. We can not continue capitalisation of them in the cost of well since, since it is already in PPE. You mentioned in one of the comments below in the question (Ameyedowo) as I have that we should not capitalise them separately as the costs road works to site does not classify for capitalisation. As well those cost do not classify for capitalisation of the well since they neither improve capacity or life of the well. Is there only one option left just to expense? It looks odd. In my opinion those road construction costs, fencing to be capitalised as separate assets. Can you please share your ideas on the subject?
Dear Yulia,
OK, I need to revise my previous comment as it brings some confusion and as I see it, it’s very strongly written, I admit.
I would capitalize the expenses you mentioned, sure. You just need to assess whether it’s separate asset or not, for example – I would definitely say that fence around the well can be treated as a separate asset.
For other expenses, treat them as a subsequent expenditure if they cannot be treated as a separate asset. For example, concreting – what is it for? Is it improving something, like stability or useful life of the well? It is the first-time expense? Hope it helps! S.
Hi Silvia
You know the advances are normally treated as advance and also accounted as advance in the books , are there any exceptions for eg advance against capital expenditure and book advance as an capital work in progress or all kinds of advance whether capital or revenue in nature has to be shown as an advance only.
Hi Sonam,
in reality yes, there are differences between advances, according to their nature. Some advances are monetary asset (e.g. long-term advance given to owner of a rented property that will be returned back to you), some of them are non-monetary (e.g. advance for acquisition of PPE where is a small chance of receiving advance back instead of PPE).
And you treat monetary asset differently from non-monetary asset. S.
Hi Silvia
1. Can we in any circumstances capitalize per-incorporation expenses.
2. For eg. my company has carried out feasibility studies for construction of hydro power projects. After the completion of studies and finding out the feasibility of the project, a separate company is formed who will then construct the project. The expenses incurred for pre-feasibility studies are adjusted in the form of equity investment in the books of company carrying out the pre-feasibility studies. If you could confirm as to how to account in such scenarios.
Hi Again
How do we account where Running and Maintenance expense is carried over beyond a one financial , for eg. lets assume we are carrying out running and maintenance of civil structures and work is completed after two years , and in the first year the expense incurred is CU 100 and in the second year the expense incurred is CU 50, the total expense being CU150, so this CU150 is expended of altogether in the second year after the completion of work or CU100 is expense off in the first year itself the expense is incurred.
Hi, match the expense with the service received. S.
I have a situation raised in my accounting class in which an entity wants to build a building above a man-made island. Hence that building is located at the sea just like the Burj Al Arab in Dubai. The problem is how will you account that man-made island or man-made land, is it part of the cost of the land or cost of the building?
I am just confused since LAND as an item of PPE is “natural” in the sense that it is made by God and always ready for acquisition or purchase and is not subject to depreciation. Since most land that we accounted for as part of PPE are natural land and not man-made, so what is the accounting treatment of the cost of filling the part of the sea by masses of soil/land in order to build a structure there?
I am also thinking that the man-made island may be subject to depreciation since it is artificial.
Thank you. I will be patiently waiting for your answer.
Dear Star,
that’s an interesting question. First of all, I know nothing about “man-made” land, but I would examine whether it has some definite useful life or not. Can this man-made land stay there forever? Or will it require some maintenance?
Also, I would definitely treat the land and building as 2 separate assets as they will probably have different useful lives. IFRS require you treating significant part of assets as a separate asset for depreciation purposes.
Hope it helps!
S.
Thank you, SilviaI don’t know how would accounting life be if were not there for us.
Hi Phisipho 🙂 The accounting life would be just as it is right now, I’m sure about that 🙂 But thank you for your appreciation, I’m only trying to bring some clarity and fun into such a damn boring thing! 🙂
Hallo Madam Silvia,can you asist me,how can we eastimate depreciation of 2nd hand old machinery that we bought from the pawndshop without knowing when it was firstly used
Hello Silvia,
I trust you are well.
I have a question that is not really quite related to the topic above but it’s in respect of PPE held for sale.
In my company, we recently classified some non-current assets (PPE & prepayments) as held for sale in line with IFRS 5 after meeting the criteria. However, the sale will not crystallize until the end of this year. The standard says not to depreciate or amortise while the assets are in the category, but as a business, we are still using it to generate revenue until the time it is transferred to the buyer. The question right now is do we continue to charge depreciation/amortisation as we are still using it?
Silvia, You are an excellent IFRS expertise resource by presenting questions & answers in a simple, convincing and short manner on this vast and complex global accounting field!
Thank you, I’m happy to know this! 🙂
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Dear Silvia,
The article is very useful for the current business operation.
thank you so much for sharing these information.
I have small query on PPE.
Is it allowed to add a residual value to an asset after depreciating the assets for a two years.
Eg: A motor vehicle was capitalized on 1/1/2012 for the value of $ 100,000.
depreciation policy is 4 years on straight line basis i.e. $ 25,000 per annum (no residual value).
In 1/1/2014, a residual value is fixed for the Motor vehicle and depreciation value is changed.
Is it allowed as per PPE IAS 16.
Hi Siraj,
yes, the change in a depreciation is simply a change in the accounting estimate in line with IAS 8. You simply calculate new depreciation charge as asset’s carrying amount divided by the remaining useful life (probably revised). You account for that prospectively, so no restatement of previous periods.
Thanks for the educative information liberating on IFRS standard
God bless you
Thanks for the educative information pass out.
Much love.
Beautifully written. Very helpful. Keep up the good work.
Hi,
Please in the case of spare parts(with huge cost implications) purchased for use in an oil transportation vessel(not as a replacement, but as an improvement to the vessel).. Do you prescribe that I capitalize the cost?. Its been an heated topic with my director. Thanks
Hi Ubong, it seems that you described the replacement of certain part of a vessel, am I right? For what reason? Was it planned replacement, or did the part just break?
In fact, IAS 16 says that you should treat major parts of an asset separately, e.g. if engine has a useful life of 5 years but remaining airplane 10 years, then you depreciate engine over 5 years and remaining airplane over 10 years. Analogically, when you replace that part on a vessel, you should derecognize carrying amount of the replaced part from the vessel and capitalize the cost of new part into the vessel.
I hope I understood you question well. S.
Thank you Silvia for enlightening me on this.
Silvia,
Thanks for this useful tip. My question is in line with Capitalizing Pre-operating Expenses-Some operations, like in the mining Industries, capitalize pre-operation expenses,,,eg: Pre-feasible studies, salaries etc until production when these items will be amortized over a specific period. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks
Hi Richmond,
mining industry is quite an exception, because you should follow IFRS 6. Under that standard, you can develop your own accounting policy which means that certain exploration and evaluation expenditures can be capitalized. S.
THANK U
This is really insightful Mada Silvia. Your aticle has clarified a lot of confusion in the eal indusry .Much appreciated. IL
What about football player contract?
Please advise me!
OK without any knowledge about that contract, the basic rule is that it’s not an intangible asset as you don’t have a control over human (you never know about injuries, etc).
However, based on the terms stated in the contract, you might recognize it as some prepayment (if the payment was made in advance), and recognize it in P/L in line with the service of that football player. I would need to see the details. S.
thank you so much for this clarification about this point.
but i judge about it as a general question as an intangible asset according to this link:
https://www.facebook.com/ifrsplus/posts/609253445778633
and in my opinion for it according IAS 38 as the following
1- Identifiability: an intangible asset is identifiable when it:
A) is separable (we can separate it).
B) arises from contractual or other legal rights.
2- control according to FIFA rules.
3- future economic benefits from that contract.
but in our countries the clubs are social clubs, so it’s out of IFRS
in some other countries they treat it as you mentioned.
thanks a lot for your great website and your replying for your fans
Islam Sharaf
Hello,
this is very very interesting and thanks a lot for your link. Yes, I thought about this contract in the same way – it is identifiable, there are future economic benefits, but from the point of view of a control over that resource – I’m not really sure because we are talking about humans. You simply can’t control human’s actions – for the same reason, training of employees is never capitalized.
Therefore, I would rather recognize this contract among long-term prepayments (receivables) and “amortize it” – but of course, if that is generally applied practice, I do not object. I’m really happy to learn, too! Thanks a million times for posting it!
S.
Mrs Silvia,
i’m so honor to get a best negotiation with my IFRS leader.
thank you so much for your interesting.
and i’m going with your opinion in resources cases (Human).
but as well as an exclusive contract with FAMOUS singer for 5 years as monopoly contract.
my point of view as the same with football player contract.
but when i treat with Human, this is an issue to judge on our case.
Ooh, we treat with a stander has frivolous cases
so, could you post those topics for discussion?
best
Islam Sharaf
Dear Mr. Islam,
as I wrote previously – if that’s generally applied practice, then it’s probably OK to treat these contracts as intangible assets. However, for me as a long-term accountant, it seems very very odd. You know – what happens when a football player is hurt? I mean – there’s only 1 Ronaldo in the world 🙂 But of course, I accept what’s common in this world to do, but I just can’t get rid of the strange taste of doing so 🙂
Of course, a contract with famous singer for 5 years is an analogy and very similar 🙂
And in the future, I will issue an article about intangible assets, so I’ll make sure I include this extremely interesting (but very judgmental) case. More power!
Silvia
Hello Silvia, please do I still need to amortize on a monthly basis prepaid insurance expense for an outlet that has been shut down operationally? Can I write off the balance in the prepaid insurance after shutting down of the outlet to the P or L straightaway since the outlet in question is no longer in operation.
Regards
Rasaq, if there is no service in the future periods, then yes, of course – no reason for prepayment. However, in this case, don’t you have the right for the refund of unspent insurance premium? S.
Thank you very much for the article. I also have a situation I hope you can help me. Let’s say 6 years ago our company bought an expensive equipment (a switch for a call center). This year some other company reinstalled the switch, a bit repaired, some new wire was used too, but in the invoice they wrote technical sevices of the equipement total amount 1000 USD let’s say. As it is a big amount compared to the value of the switch, I feel rather uneasy to book it as current expenses. Do the IFRS say for sure whether it is current expense or should it be capitalized and added to PPE to that particular switch?
Oxana,
I did face an akin situation in the past where I have to capitalise a desk handset of GHS 75 and expense iphone of GHS 1500. So the value may not necessary be the issue. If the switch was installed immediately the technical services would have been capitalised. Hope my response is useful. A
Hi Oxana, I would capitalize it into the carrying amount of the switch. It seems that these costs were not mere “day-to-day” servicing, but they prolonged the useful life of a switch. S.
For this situation i think if the equipment was userble before the subsequent is expended that cost can be classified as an expense or if it was not userble the cost is the cost that brought an asset to the condition where it can be used therefore is capitalised to the cost of an asset… correct me if im wrong Silvia
Hi Madam Silvia,
Thank you for these knowledge, we really appreciate.
The question of which items to capitalize, which one to treat as inventories or which ones fall under IAS 38 intangible assets, is a question that bothers many of us, and we end up doing wrong things for lack of knowledge or idea of their treatment. You’ve simplified everything for us by sharing this comprehensive knowledge. Thank You!
Silvia, thanks for your insight. it was really helpful as always! I have a question. In case of items like LPG Gas Cylinders or other reusable bottles for Cold Drinks, what is the correct classification for the seller? I have seen some sellers classify them as component of Inventory and some as Fixed Assets!
Thanks!
Hi Samir, what is the purpose of LPG Gas Cylinder or reusable bottle?
If they are used in the sales or the production process, but are not being sold themselves (in terms of “not traded”, I don’t mean occasional sale here), then they are PPE (provided everything else is met).
Of course, the producer of reusable bottles would classify them as inventories (if the producer sells them). S.
Please consider this example. XYZ is a company that sales LPG gas (a kind of natural gas)to retail customers. It purchases bulk amount of gases, refills them into small size cylinders and sales them to customers. (please note it does not extract gases itself. rather only acts an intermediary). the peculiar thing is that the cylinders are to be returned to XYZ by the customers each time in exchange for new refilled cylinder.
XYZ takes certain security deposit from customers for the cylinder. Each time cylinder is exchanged, a certain amount is billed to the customer by XYZ.
In this case, should XYZ recognize the cylinders as Inventories or PPE?
Could you please help me by clearing this confusion!
Samir.
I think that for the fact that the cylinders are XYZ property whose cost can be measured reliably, usable for more than an accounting year and have future economic benefits to XYZ; they are PPE. A
You see, Samir, that each case and situation needs to be carefully considered. In my opinion, it is still PPE, mainly when the useful life of cylinders is longer than 1 year. It does not matter that this cylinder is “borrowed” to a client. However, I understand that the practicalities of such a treatment are not that great, as it’s difficult to keep the register of all cylinders.
Thanks Ameyedowo and Silvia!
Helped me a lot!
Here’s to hoping that someday i too might help!
Thanks again! Cheers!
Dear Silvia M., i agreed with your answer. Can you please advice regarding depreciate those cylinders value.
Precisely:
1. how much depreciation rates to be charged on Cylinder?
2. What is the method of depreciating the cylinders?
Risvi, these should be your estimates, not mine 🙂
I’m glad I came across this forum because this has helped me clarify certain matters in relation to PPE. I am having a bit of a difficulty in classifying the fixed assets of a start-up business, which hasn’t commenced operations yet but have estimated amounts stated for their PPE (none has been purchased yet). Since this business plans on applying for a SNE loan, pro Forma financial statements are required. I’ve been told the estimated amounts of the assets cannot be recognised as an asset because it’s not yet purchased. So what is the correct treatment for the PPE costs estimated by this business and where on the balance sheet can this be recognised?
Dear Miriam – nowhere, because estimated assets do not meet the definition of an asset per IFRS.
From my opinion those empties can last more than one period, can be lend to someone,can be used to deliver the contents to the customer and weather or not they can be sold,meaning their cost can be reliably measured, therefore i think they can be classified under PPE IAS16
SILVIA’S NOTE: Wow, thank you for all your comments and questions. I see that this is a HOT topic.
I’ll try to respond to everyone, but please give me some time for that – THANKS! 🙂
And by the way – please feel free to post your own response to questions of other readers, I think everyone will appreciate!
That brings me to another question: would you like me to launch an IFRSbox forum? In fact, I’ve been playing with that idea for some time. What do you think?
Thanks So Much Silvia for This very educating and extremely problem solving article.
Its a Great help.
And also as per the IFRS forum, i think its a wonderful idea. Pls carry on with it cos it Will help to share more ideas from différent ppl.
Thanks.
Hello Silvia,
Please am contemplating how to treat these expenses(material) in respect of start-up business under IFRS.
1. Extension of electricity to site(for the fact that owner is Electricity Company because anyone can connect power without our permission)
2. Road works to site
3. Extension of water to site(for the fact that owner is Water Company because anyone tap without our permission)
Thank you.
Hi Ameyedowo,
first of all, thank’s a lot for answering questions of Oxana and Samir.
Secondly – all 3 items you mentioned represent the inevitable expenditure to construct a building or whatever you plan to build on the site. Therefore, you should capitalize these costs into the cost of building. You would need to examine whether they represent the separate asset or not, but in general, if the building is not operational without these assets, then I would include them in the cost of building.
S.
When costs are necessary, but indirect, do we capitalize them or not?
Yes, depending on what they are, e.g. salaries of a production team apportioned on some reasonable basis. S.
Nice idea 🙂
Yes Silvia please open IFRSBox Forum.
Hi Silvia, in my case company is building a laboratory (lab equipment category for fixed assets). Bills from the vendors are coming through for professional fees plus the cost of them to travel + accomodation + food. Should I capitalize all of these charges or should I expense their travel+accom+food and only capitalize their profesional fees? Can you please refer to the policies under IFRS and equivalent US GAAP? Thank you. Martina 🙂
they should all be capitalised as part of cost of lab being necessarily incurred & entailed for that lab….
Hi Silvia,
I have a qns and hope to seek your advice.
If Company contracted a vendor to do some electrical wiring and cabling of network points, can this cost be capitalized as ppe? Purpose is to install new network points for newcomers and relocate existing workstations.
I am confused whether to capitalized or expensed it off.
Appreciate your advice on this. Thank you!
in my view you should capitalize them as they are part of necessary office installations and workspace and building and have useful life of many years and ensure future economic benefits and their cost sure can be reliably ascertained from their billings and price lists as negotiated….
yes that a great platform to relearn some of these hot issues
Dear Silvia
Thank you very much valuable information.
Now my company is under establishment process, but already made a lot payment for Office rent, Salary, Office Furniture, Office equipment, Consulting fee , Office stationery and others. This payment paid from Parent Company.
My Questions:
1. How can i recognize all these payments?
2. Can I recognized Office Equipment and furniture as Preliminary Expense or Fixed assets?
3. Can I recognized Salary expense as Preliminary Expense?
4. If i debited all these expense/payment as Preliminary expense, then what will be my credit accounts head? (Because these payment made from promoters).
I am waiting for your suggestion.
Thanks
Hello
Did you get a response to this questions. I have a similar situation would like some help. Lot of payments for construction of the building were paid by a related party initially for a year.
regards
G Shah
Oh well, I think I have responded this question on my website somewhere else and I just prefer not to repeat myself, but OK, since you asked for it again, here you go:
1. Depending on whether they meet the definition of PPE or not. E.g. office equipment can be capitalized as PPE, but admin officers’ salaries not, they enter into profit or loss.
2. Yes, “fixed assets”, as soon as they meet the definition of PPE under IAS 16.
3. It depends. If it is a salary of employee who worked on bringing some other PPE into the condition and location as desired by the management, then yes, capitalize it into the cost of that PPE. But if it is general admin, then by no means, you need to expense it in profit or loss.
4. There is no such a thing as “preliminary expenses” under IFRS, because it does not meet the definition of intangible assets. They should all be expensed in profit or loss.
I think the forum is a great idea. A good opportunity to ask questions and learn from others at the same time. Sylvia, do you deal with double entry questions as well? Also, other questions relating to a manual system of accounting?
Hi Alyson, yes, still thinking of forum. I deal with many different kinds of questions here publicly as soon as the response would be also useful for others 🙂 If the questions are too specific, then I think it is fair to ask our consultants https://www.cpdbox.com/my-helpline/
Thank you so much Silvia, please launch it. This is the best time.
Hi Silvia! Your knowledge of IFRS and the way you are able to explain & give examples is truly a gift! I think the IFRSbox Forum is a great idea, not sure if it was ever launched,
I have a question – Could you capitalize the foreign exchange loss incurred in acquiring currency to purchase the fixed asset?
Hello! Mam, Are you fine? I would ask some question. What is difference between fair value and net realizable value? I don’t understand that. when I asked my college teacher not exactly find answer. Please, Mam that question answer send to my email.
Hi Sylvia your articles really do make IFRS easy to understand. Thank you.
Question: An instrument comes in as inventory item to be sold. The item is then Capitalised as it is then used as demo equipment and/or working capital and potentially income is generated from this instrument. This instrument could’ve been in your inventory for six years. Generally the product has a life of 10 years. Would you depreciate the product over the remaining four years or can you depreciate It’ over five years as it is the estimated real remaining life of the product. If services are carried out on this product which extends the life of the product can service costs be added to the cost of the products when they are incurred which means at that point in time depreciation will increase. How do you treat the life of the products as it is extended by the service that is carried out. Look forward to your feedback.
Dear Sharmaine,
you need to depreciate the product over its useful life (over which you expect to generate benefits), not an economic life of 10 years. Once it is classified as PPE, then of course you can capitalize subsequent expenditures if these meet conditions in IAS 16. All the best, S.
hello Silvia,
I believe it would be a wonderful thing for us to have an IFRSbox forum. I cannot wait to be part of it. Bring it on!
Well, working on questions and answers, it will be published soon!